Please count me in as well.
Rachel Hess, MD, MS
Associate Professor of Medicine, Epidemiology, and Clinical and
Translational Sciences
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>> 1. Re: from the NY Times (Roberts, Michelle M)
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>>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 13:32:13 -0400
>From: "Roberts, Michelle M" <maura at pitt.edu>
>To: career management for women in academic medicine
> <womeninmedicine at list.pitt.edu>
>Subject: Re: [Womeninmedicine] from the NY Times
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>>Please count me in too. As the mother of a 16 year old girl, I did not
>think she would still be facing these biases.
>>Michelle
>>________________________________
>From: womeninmedicine-bounces at list.pitt.edu>[womeninmedicine-bounces at list.pitt.edu] On Behalf Of Thompson, Ann
>[thompsonae at ccm.upmc.edu]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 1:28 PM
>To: 'career management for women in academic medicine'
>Subject: Re: [Womeninmedicine] from the NY Times
>>Excellent?I?m going to give it a couple of days to see how many are
>interested and then set something up.
>>Ann
>>From: womeninmedicine-bounces at list.pitt.edu>[mailto:womeninmedicine-bounces at list.pitt.edu] On Behalf Of Ragni,
>Margaret V
>Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 11:57 AM
>To: career management for women in academic medicine
>Cc: Zellers, Darlene Fischer
>Subject: Re: [Womeninmedicine] from the NY Times
>>Happy to work on this
>>________________________________
>From: womeninmedicine-bounces at list.pitt.edu>[womeninmedicine-bounces at list.pitt.edu] On Behalf Of Thompson, Ann
>[thompsonae at ccm.upmc.edu]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 11:20 AM
>To: career management for women in academic medicine
>Cc: Zellers, Darlene Fischer
>Subject: Re: [Womeninmedicine] from the NY Times
>Well, one thing we can do is find some ways to include this as a major
>part of an upcoming Women in Science and Medicine Forum.
>>Another thing might be to have a brain-storming meeting of anyone who?s
>interested. If you?ll let me know of your interest, I?ll take
>responsibility for setting up a meeting.
>>Thanks
>Ann
>>>Ann E. Thompson, MD
>Professor and Vice Chair for Faculty Development
>Department of Critical Care Medicine
>Associate Dean for Faculty Affairs
>University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
>>>>From: womeninmedicine-bounces at list.pitt.edu>[mailto:womeninmedicine-bounces at list.pitt.edu] On Behalf Of Ragni,
>Margaret V
>Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 7:50 AM
>To: career management for women in academic medicine
>Subject: Re: [Womeninmedicine] from the NY Times
>>What can we do about this?
>Awareness raising - etc?
>>________________________________
>From:
>womeninmedicine-bounces at list.pitt.edu<mailto:womeninmedicine-bounces at list.>pitt.edu> [womeninmedicine-bounces at list.pitt.edu] On Behalf Of Piraino,
>Beth M [piraino at pitt.edu]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 7:14 AM
>To: career management for women in academic medicine
>Subject: Re: [Womeninmedicine] from the NY Times
>What I found most shocking about this was that women professors also had
>this bias!
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>womeninmedicine-bounces at list.pitt.edu<mailto:womeninmedicine-bounces at list.>pitt.edu> [womeninmedicine-bounces at list.pitt.edu] On Behalf Of Weisz, Ora
>Anna [weisz at pitt.edu]
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>To: womeninmedicine at list.pitt.edu<mailto:womeninmedicine at list.pitt.edu>
>Subject: [Womeninmedicine] from the NY Times
>Bias Persists for Women of Science, a Study Finds
>By KENNETH
>CHANG<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/c/kenneth>_chang/index.html>
>Science professors at American universities widely regard female
>undergraduates as less competent than male students with the same
>accomplishments and skills, a new study by researchers at
>Yale<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/y/y>ale_university/index.html?inline=nyt-org> concluded.
>As a result, the report found, the professors were less likely to offer
>the women mentoring or a job. And even if they were willing to offer a
>job, the salary was lower.
>The bias was pervasive, the scientists said, and probably reflected
>subconscious cultural influences rather than overt or deliberate
>discrimination.
>Female professors were just as biased against women students as their
>male colleagues, and biology professors just as biased as physics
>professors ? even though more than half of biology majors are women,
>whereas men far outnumber women in physics.
>?I think we were all just a little bit surprised at how powerful the
>results were ? that not only do the faculty in biology, chemistry and
>physics express these biases quite clearly, but the significance and
>strength of the results was really quite striking,? said Jo
>Handelsman<http://bbs.yale.edu/molecularcell/people/jo_handelsman-2.profil>e>, a professor of molecular, cellular and developmental biology at Yale.
>Dr. Handelsman was the senior author of an article reporting the
>findings<http://www.pnas.org/cgi/doi/10.1073/pnas.1211286109>, published
>online on Monday by Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
>Nancy Hopkins<http://ki.mit.edu/people/faculty/hopkins>, a professor of
>biology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who has long talked
>about continuing barriers to women in science, described the study as
>?enormously important.?
>Dr. Hopkins said that small slights, accumulated over the course of a
>career, slowed many women of science. ?They don?t have the confidence
>level to get to the top,? she said. ?They?re getting undercut.?
>She added, ?People tend to think that the problem has gone away, but
>alas, it hasn?t.?
>Discussions of gender bias in science and mathematics have long been
>complicated by a host of factors ? including whether women receive
>preferential treatment through affirmative action or whether innate
>differences indeed exist between men and women.
>To avoid such complications, the Yale researchers sought to design the
>simplest study possible. They contacted professors in the biology,
>chemistry and physics departments at six major research universities ?
>three private and three public, unnamed in the study ? and asked them to
>evaluate, as part of a study, an application from a recent graduate
>seeking a position as a laboratory manager.
>All of the professors received the same one-page summary, which portrayed
>the applicant as promising but not stellar. But in half of the
>descriptions, the mythical applicant was named John and in half the
>applicant was named Jennifer.
>About 30 percent of the professors, 127 in all, responded. (They were
>asked not to discuss the study with colleagues, limiting the chance that
>they would compare notes and realize its purpose.)
>On a scale of 1 to 7, with 7 being highest, professors gave John an
>average score of 4 for competence and Jennifer 3.3. John was also seen
>more favorably as someone they might hire for their laboratories or would
>be willing to mentor.
>The average starting salary offered to Jennifer was $26,508. To John it
>was $30,328.
>The bias had no relation to the professors? age, sex, teaching field or
>tenure status. ?There?s not even a hint of a difference there,? said
>Corinne Moss-Racusin, a postdoctoral social
>psychology<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/health/diseasesconditionsand>healthtopics/psychology_and_psychologists/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier
>> researcher who was the lead author of the paper.
>Dr. Handelsman said previous studies had shown similar subconscious bias
>in other occupations. But when she discussed the concerns with other
>scientists, many responded that scientists would rise above it because
>they were trained to analyze objective data rationally.
>?I began to, on the one hand, wonder, ?Well, perhaps that?s true: maybe
>people who are trained to be objective have some way of ferreting these
>out,? ? she said. ?But on the other hand, if scientists were no different
>from all the other groups that have been studied, that?s something that
>we should know.?
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